Life Conversations with a Twist
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Life Conversations with a Twist
Broken But Not Beaten: Rediscovering Joy and Purpose After Losing a Loved One with Dr. Kimberly Hubenette
“There is a grief journey. It's always going to be there. Yet you have to learn how to live for yourself, for your person, and how they would want you to live.” —Dr. Kimberly Hubenette
Grief is a universal language, but few truly understand how to speak it with courage and hope. This is not surprising as loss doesn't have an instruction manual. But some survivors and thrivers have discovered an unexpected roadmap to healing that rewrites their entire life story.
Dr. Kimberly Hubenette is a remarkable entrepreneur and resilience expert who turned personal tragedy into a powerful mission of healing and inspiration. As a dentist, author, and wilderness adventurer, she has transformed her experience of losing her husband to cystic fibrosis into a roadmap for others seeking to rebuild their lives after profound loss.
Tune in as Heather and Kimberly unpack the raw, intimate journey of healing, revealing how to navigate grief's treacherous terrain, rediscover personal passion, create meaningful connections, and ultimately craft a life of purpose, adventure, and unexpected joy—proving that our most challenging moments can become our greatest opportunities for growth.
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Episode Highlights:
01:41 Meet Kimberly
06:53 Understanding Cystic Fibrosis
19:49 Final Weeks and Passing of Kim’s Husband
28:36 Navigating Grief and Moving Forward
34:34 The Importance of Support Groups for Widows and Widowers
38:31 Grid: Starting Over
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Grid: Once in a Lifetime, You Get To Start Over by Dr. Kimberly Hubenette
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After losing her husband in 2019, Dr. Kimberly transformed her grief into a powerful journey of resilience, choosing to honor his memory by embracing life's adventures and helping others navigate their own healing process. As a dentist with over 30 years of experience and owner of Synergy Dental Group, she now guides people through grief, demonstrating that loss can be a catalyst for personal growth and transformation, not a permanent roadblock.
Heather Nelson: Hello, everyone. Welcome to this week's Life Conversations with a Twist. I am very honored to have Kimberly on the podcast today. We just met, which is like a lot of my guests. But we were trying to put together how we got connected, and it was a very interesting story. And then we also just discovered that we both live here in Sonoma County, which is always cool and exciting. But how we got to meet each other was very unique, and so I'm really excited to have you on the podcast. Welcome.
Kimberly Hubenette: Thank you so much, Heather. I'm so happy to be here, and excited to get to know you better too.
Heather Nelson: So Kimberly and I just met because the team that helps and supports me with my podcast, Kimberly knows her as well, and she connected us because she thought that your story would resonate on my podcast. And then we have some other mutual connections, which is crazy. So let's get started. Tell everyone a little bit about where you live, who you are, and a little bit about your life.
Kimberly Hubenette: Okay. I'm from Sonoma County. Originally, I was born and raised in San Diego County. And about 20 years ago when I met my husband, my previous husband, he had passed now, but he was living in Sonoma, California. I'm a dentist, but I'm also a business woman. I am a hiker. And now, an author. I love learning every day. I still have a dental office in Sonoma. And about five years ago, my husband passed away from cystic fibrosis, and he was an avid person that loved the outdoors, and he had a double lung transplant. That's the twist. He had a double lung transplant for 21 years, and we always knew that he was going to pass away sooner so we had little things that we could do. He would be really hard on me for certain things so that I would learn how to be able to survive on my own. So about two years ago, I decided to take him up on what he had challenged me to do when he passed away. He said, Kim, I want you to write about me and my story. Because I'm not going to do it, and so I chose to help create a lifestyle for business women that have had the same kind of experience as myself. And I wrote a book that was a fictional novel that people think it's me, but it's really kind of like a superimposed me. And I teach people about survival, survival in the wilderness, as well as survival after your loved one passes away.
Heather Nelson: Oh, I have so many questions to dive into. First, I want to ask you about your practice. How long have you been doingDentistry, am I saying it right?
Kimberly Hubenette: I've been a dentist for over 30 years. My dad was a dentist also, and he actually still is a dentist. He's 81, and he still practices. So I have longevity in my blood.
Heather Nelson: Then how many people are on your team?
Kimberly Hubenette: I have 9 people on my team right now.
Heather Nelson: And so where did you meet your husband? Did you guys meet when you were living in San Diego, and then he convinced you to move to this beautiful Sonoma County area? How did you guys meet?
Kimberly Hubenette: We both were in Las Vegas, and we met each other at a sushi restaurant. He was with his friends. I was with my friends. You never think that you're going to meet anybody quality in Las Vegas, because you're there too. Whatever state that you do in Vegas. Days in Vegas, supposedly, well, I was fortunate enough to meet him and his friends. We hung out, and we got to know each other. Then he came to visit me in San Diego a few times, and then he ended up moving down to San Diego because he wanted to pursue me, I guess. And then, we were dating for a while, then we got married. And then five years after we got married, he says, I don't want to live here anymore. I want to move back to Sonoma. Plus at that time, he had already had his lung transplant. His doctors were already in this area, Stanford, UCSF, and he had to transfer his files to San Diego. Obviously, they do have a good team down there too, but they weren't his team. And so he had a little bit of setbacks. And so I thought, you know what? At age 40, I can do this. I can change my location. If I did it any later, I wouldn't have done it. But at age 40, I had 12 years down in my belt, under my belt, and I thought, okay, I'm gonna keep my business down here, fly up there, try to find another location, and then we'll be as it may be. What will happen to my other practice? Maybe I'll keep it, whatever. So it ended up that I mentored the person that brought my practice down in San Diego. I kept flying back and forth for six months to help her out, train her and so forth. And then I bought a location in Sonoma where I was a partner, and now I'm the full owner of the business at Synergy Dental Group.
Heather Nelson: Wow. What a great story. I would love to chat about cystic fibrosis, because I don't know a ton about it. I would love the listeners to kind of get some backstory about how your life has obviously changed and living with somebody who has it. So cystic fibrosis is something you're born with, correct?
Kimberly Hubenette: Yes. At age three years old is when my husband had gotten diagnosed with it. His parents told me that he wasn't gaining weight. He was always having loose stool, not being able to breathe very well. It was sinus mucus and digestive. And so cystic fibrosis is a genetic disorder. And disease that you're born with, and you don't have the gene for the cilia in your lungs and your sinus to move and pull the mucus and toxins out of your body naturally. So it all builds up. And eventually, all of your organs start fibrosing, and they start getting hard because they can't get the mucus or the toxins out. So at age 24, he was trying to live a normal life in college. His parents couldn't keep track of him anymore, right? So then he went out to go to a party and wanted to be normal, so his lungs got worse. And so at that point, he had to be on the lung transplant list for about two years, and he actually wasn't heavy enough to get the lung transplant when they called. His dad told him to put rocks in his pockets to get weighed so that he could be of weight to get the lungs, which can't do that.
Sometimes I go to these continuing education courses for dentistry, and it's combined with the thoracic people because I do some TMJ work, I do some head and neck work and that kind of thing, and sleep apnea. So I was introduced to the pulmonology team as well as the Thoracic Society. So at that point, they were having lectures about cystic fibrosis, so I went over to the booth and I was talking to the gals about all the medications that he was taking at the time, and they told me that there's only 200 lung surgeries, be it double lung or single lung within the United States in a whole year. It's very hard to get one, and it takes a long time to be on the list. It's over two thirds of your body. It depends on a good match. And nowadays, instead of just taking the lung and transplanting it, they take the lung and the heart. So when my husband had his, it was only the lungs. And he always wished that he could do it again. His whole mission was to stay alive. Stay alive. Be brave. Stay alive. He said it was like breathing underwater every single day even with the new lungs. So he actually decided that he was going to try to get another lung if he ever needed one. Two years before he passed, his lungs still hadn't deteriorated enough. But he was at the point where he couldn't do as many things. Now, that's another story too, because most people with his lung transplant situation double on. They can barely have a normal life, barely go out, go shopping or do stuff or not an eight hour day job.
Heather Nelson: They're more susceptible to getting sick, right?
Kimberly Hubenette: He's always had it. He had a tackle box of medication, and I would say it was at least worth $50,000 a month to take these medications to live. And good thing, he was on this assisted program with the state that took care of people with cystic fibrosis.
Heather Nelson: So obviously, we have two lungs. So he basically in one surgery got both of his lungs removed and put new ones in. And this might sound like a silly question, but the donor, is it both of their lungs, or is it one?
Kimberly Hubenette: Yes.
Heather Nelson: I'm always so curious about the science of all of this.
Kimberly Hubenette: Okay, some religions don't want to deal with lung or organ transplants. They think it's not right. I was open to the fact that, okay, he's alive now, and he has somebody else's lungs. This is how I met him. Basically, it's a single person that gives up their lungs. And for the double lung, it had to be somebody that was freshly deceased. So in the middle of the night, he gets a call. It was a motorcycle accident, about the same age as him, about the same height, weight and so forth. So they said, you're next. Do you want to come right away? We'll get you in a helicopter. He hated the helicopters to go from Sonoma County to Stanford. He says, no, I don't want to do that. I'm just going to drive. So it took him three hours to get there. But had he wanted to, they would have picked him up in a helicopter and transported him to Stanford.
Heather Nelson: Because it was like one of those things that has to happen--
Kimberly Hubenette: Within a certain time frame. So it was still within the certain time frame, it was just three hours later. Then they prepped him and got him in. And he has five really good friends. They all showed up to wait.
Heather Nelson: And what is the healing process like for that?
Kimberly Hubenette: Well, it could be months. It could be weeks. He had to stay at the facility for about, I would say, I think three or four months. He had to stay very close to the hospital, so they had to rent an apartment next to the hospital, and his parents would be there. And his mom actually is a clinical research nurse, so she was all over the place flying around for her job. His dad was the one that stayed with him, and he was the one that was caregiving to my husband. So his lungs lasted 21 years. He remembers two other people, and they didn't pass. They didn't make it past a week, two weeks or a month.
Heather Nelson: So it's not really a guarantee?
Kimberly Hubenette: No, it's not a guarantee. You have to have a good match. And then the other thing that happened was he started liking different kinds of foods. So they were saying, oh, is it the Oregon that wanted the new food? Or is it just his new lease on life? There's a lot of different scenarios of that. And people say, maybe in the first month or two, your organs still want the same kind of food that your body used to have. We don't know that, but he started liking sushi. He started liking pizza and hot dogs. And supposedly, he had not liked that kind of stuff before.
Heather Nelson: Wow, so you were with him during this time?
Kimberly Hubenette: I did not know him until 2021, and then he had already had the transplant five years prior. He looked normal to me. When I met him, he was looking normal. All he carried around was the tackle box full of medicine.
Heather Nelson: He obviously had to tell you this, but what was like his outlook on life? Because I feel like when you're in a situation like that, you quote this on your website like living life to the fullest. His mindset of what his life should be at that point.
Kimberly Hubenette: Yes. He did not want to kill a fly, a spider or anything. He would always like, capture and leave it, let it out. I liked fishing. When I went fishing, he said, hurry up and put it out of its misery. He was so thoughtful about life and such. Whenever he felt good, he wanted to go out and do something. So he volunteered for Sonoma Search and Rescue for eight years. No matter what he could do, he did it. He was in charge of the equipment. He helped the team in Sonoma County get the quads and the four by fours ready, because we knew how to do that. We had motorcycles. He had an ATV, one of those dune buggies, Polaris, and we would go camping. But he would find things that he could do outdoors that weren't strenuous. Let's say that if we went hiking, he would have a little scooter or something that he would go on. Or if we were out in the wilderness, we would take a dune buggy instead so that he wouldn't have to be that strenuous. But he was still out there. Found ways to still enjoy life in his own way, and he was the one that taught me.
Heather Nelson: Did your outlook change on life when you met him and saw his view on life? And how was that time period of knowing that he doesn't have forever to live? What was your mindset during that time?
Kimberly Hubenette: I already had my own practice. I already had my own dental office in San Diego, and I'm the type of person that's really into my business. So when I met him, he was the part of my life that was the calming part. He would do things and want to do things. I thought, okay, I'll do that. Okay, I'll do that. Slow down, Kim, get bearings in your life. Live a normal life. Because as a business owner, we're always thinking about our career and our life. For every new business, there's nine businesses that fail, right? And so we have to be up on our game for our businesses, yet we also have to balance our life. So he would always want to be traveling. He would always, let's go camping before it's too late. And then before long, he did slow down, and I felt bad because I hadn't done as many things that I'd had liked or would have liked to do with him, because I could finally see that he wasn't going to be able to do some of the things that he wanted to. He traveled by himself a couple of times because I couldn't go. And when I look back at it, I think, gosh, I should have gone. I should have taken that time. But in retrospect, you can't say, I wish I could have. I regret so many things. Yet, I did a lot of new things that made me happy that he was in my life.
Heather Nelson: How long were you guys together from the time you met, till the time he passed?
Kimberly Hubenette: 20 years.
Heather Nelson: What were the final weeks, months? With cystic fibrosis, it's not like an immediate thing, right? Is it a slow progression? What were his final days like? What was that like for you?
Kimberly Hubenette: The interesting thing is his doctor told him that he was cured of cystic fibrosis after he had his lung transplant. Yet on his death certificate, it said he died from cystic fibrosis. In the beginning, it was like a normal life. In the middle, it slowly slows down. Some of your listeners don't know this, but in Sonoma County, we had two huge fires, 2017 and 2019, and we were surrounded by like five or six different fires. We evacuated maybe 36 times at that point, and that's when his lungs started giving out. He started to have to be on an oxygen tube, an oxygen tank for 24 hours a day. He would take himself off and go to Costco with his parents or his dad because he did not want to have the oxygen tank for an hour or whatever. It took him a lot to do that, and then he would come home and be exhausted from not having the oxygen with him for that long. But he didn't want to be out in public with his oxygen tank. And then maybe a month prior to his passing, he had been in and out of the hospital for about 10 times that year that he passed. Then finally, they said, there's really nothing we can do anymore. He's going to be in hospice, and it's either you keep him here at the hospital, or now's the time to go home.
Good thing that he had a directive that said what he wanted and what he wanted to do. Because at that point, he really couldn't talk very much. And so the hard thing is his parents and I had mixed opinions. And before that, we had always gotten along. But at that point where it was the time to take them home or leave them there, they wanted to leave him there closest to the doctors. But his directive to me is that he wanted to be at home and pass home. And obviously, since I'm the wife, I got my way. But they were really upset with me, and it was very hard because he could tell that we were arguing about it. He would mouth to me, why the war? And so I was like, we're okay. We'll get through this. And ultimately in retrospect, I think they would probably agree that it was better that he was home. Even though at the time, they didn't because they wanted him to be closest to the doctors. But there was really nothing else. The last day, every three nights in a week, he would get on a Zoom call with his best friend, and they would just sit there, talk and chat with him. He had really good friends. Really, really awesome to the end, good friends, and they still keep in touch with me too.
Heather Nelson: I love that. Did he say anything to you near the end? Because I know you had mentioned that after going through this journey, you're doing a lot different work. You still have your practice, but your whole perspective on life and how to support people has changed. Was it something that you said that changed your mindset to put more love and thought through that?
Kimberly Hubenette: He had always been Leo. He was born in August, and it was black and white. To him, everything was black and white. It's either you're lying or you're telling the truth type of person, and he taught me so much. I thought I knew a lot. But in life, even though he was subtle in the way that he would explain it to me at the end, I got it. For instance, he was the one that made everybody laugh. He was the one that kept everybody together like glue. He was very thoughtful. And now, it's up to me to continue his legacy at the office. My team got me through the memorial, and we had fun doing it because he wanted certain things. And so I got my team to help bake cupcakes and make the pictures for his memorial. And they're the ones that got me up to go to work. They're the ones that actually kept me going so that I could even function in the first few months. Even after that too, I would say that I lost my umph. Being in dentistry for a long time and what got me through is writing a book and living the way he lived, how he would treat things. I take care of my team a lot differently now, because they're my family. He had a dog that could smell when he got sick, could smell like sadness, could smell emotion or something. He could perceive it. And for the longest time, Roscoe, his dog would sit there and wait for him to come home. And I started sitting in Mark's chair and the dog kept staring at me . What are you doing sitting in my master's chair? He was depressed. My dog was depressed. And then I took him to a dog psychologist, and the dog psychologist to help us out.
Heather Nelson: You have two dogs or one?
Kimberly Hubenette: I have a second dog, and that second dog really helps me get up. Our routine is to go walk her every day, feed her every day, and go for a walk when I come home. It keeps me busy. I say to my staff, my clients and my patients, we got to keep moving. You got to keep on memorializing. Everybody has some sort of grief in their life. It could be a spouse. It could be a best friend. It could be your childhood friend. It could be your parents or your child. It's always going to be a grief journey. There's always going to be something. You're never going to be completely rid of it. It's always going to be there. Yet, you have to learn how to live for yourself, for your person, and how they would want you to live.
Heather Nelson: So good. Before we jumped on, I had said that there's a lot of people in my social media world or network and community who have either just lost a spouse or who are battling cancer. It feels really real right now. I feel like there's at least the people in my world. It's been more of a thing. What advice do you have for that person who is going through what you went through, or going through this period of change in life?
Kimberly Hubenette: I've learned that do what you want to do, because you only have one life to do it. And stay away from negativity. If somebody tells you, oh, you can't do that. Oh, yeah, you can. That's what I say. There's nothing that really is stopping you from doing things, so why not do the things that you want to do? Be the person that you want to be, and have no regrets.
Heather Nelson: Yeah, I love that. How has life changed for you? Obviously, you mentioned grief. I'm sure it goes in waves. I see that it's gone in ways. For people, it's something that will spark something, or emotion, or an anniversary, or something like that. What has kept you focused, or allowed you to grieve that day to know that you can't stay in that state, and that you need to move forward? What kinds of things do you do to help that process?
Kimberly Hubenette: Mark wanted to be cremated, so I had his ashes. And you're really not supposed to sprinkle things over. But for two years, I would go from place to place of things that we did together, places that we went, and I would just have him with me in the little pouch, and I would sprinkle a little, okay, you're going to be here forever. And it made me happy. The other thing is I started getting hobbies. I thought, okay, I'm going to go catch a fish. I wanted to always catch this Marlin. I went to Cancun. All my girlfriends were doing something else, and I signed myself up to go on this boat to go catch a Marlin, and I came back with a 75 foot Yahoo for Wahoo fish. And so I did that. I went on a hike to Half Dome. I decided that I was going to be in a group, and I was going to learn how to hike through Yosemite. And for three months, I hiked up and down Taylor Mountain and all these other mountains around our area. I got ready and I climbed Half Dome with five other people that I met. So you just have to keep yourself busy and going. And there's other people out there that probably have the same things going on as you. Find them, and maybe you can have a new friend, a new hobby or a new something. In fact, I've started a group here locally that we go hiking every Wednesday and on the weekends. I'll take people to learn how to fish or to trap shooting, and hike. That's what we're doing.
Heather Nelson: I love that. I always wonder if as somebody who is on the outside, or as a friend, you want to be supportive. Or as a community member, you want to be supportive. But what advice do you have for that friend or that person who you know when they're going through grief like this? How can we support them? Or what kinds of things do they need? Or what do they not need in order to feel supported?
Kimberly Hubenette: So even if your friend says, no, I don't need anything. You could say, okay, even if you don't need anything, I'll be here. And if you just want to be silent, we can be silent together. The best thing was my friends wanted to come and be with me. And at first I thought, no, I just want to be by myself, but I just let them come. And sometimes, they were just there, and I was just there. We didn't say anything because we just sat there. Or we would just silently be together. They might say, no. But it's actually probably yes. And then maybe don't say, oh, you should do this. You should do that. Just listen. Listen to what they have to say. And maybe they're going to tell you in their own way what they want if they keep talking and you just listen. Just be a great support that way.
Heather Nelson: I love that. What's next for you? I'm sure, not every day is perfect. I'm sure there's days that are harder than others. But because of this journey, what is the work that you're kind of shifting to now? And what does life look like for you now?
Kimberly Hubenette: I work three days a week as a dentist. And on Mondays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, I'm taking people out learning how to do something new. We're hiking, we're trap shooting, we're fishing. I belong to this outdoor club that I take people to, and we do that. I've also taken a group of people to Mazatlan and to Cabo for a wellness retreat. My next thing in two years, we're planning a trip to walk the Camino in Europe. So I have a five day thing planned that we're gonna get together, and we're gonna go from one part of the Camino to the other. Obviously, it's 500 miles, so we're not going to do the whole 500 miles. But we're gonna go to Santiago through the Spain area, down through the Camino.
Heather Nelson: That's so fun. So you're being adventurous. I love that. I had a question for you. How long has it been since your husband passed away? You said four years.
Kimberly Hubenette: Five or six years.
Heather Nelson: Do you have plans or have thoughts? I think there's different timelines that this could happen. But I think when people lose a spouse, they almost feel like they can't start their life over with a new partner. Obviously, that comes in time when they're ready. But what are your thoughts on that? Are you searching for the next one? Are you open to it? Where are you at? And then the next question is, how do you feel about people moving on from that?
Kimberly Hubenette: I was fortunate enough that we talked about it before he passed. He always said, you're gonna find somebody new. I'm okay with that. And if it could be somebody, it might be this person. He really did want me to move on. And so at this point in my life, I keep thinking, oh, no, if I find somebody, I find somebody. And yes, I've been on a few dates, but nothing really happened with those few dates. I'm open to it. If I find somebody, and when I find somebody, it's going to be somebody that wants to understand that I've had somebody else in my life, and is okay with me still having certain things in my life that point to Mark, because I will always have part of him in my life. A lot of times, you'll find spouses, people that find others that have had another person pass away. Or they were a widow in the past, and then they get remarried to another widow. That might be work as well, because then you know what's going on in that person's mind.
Heather Nelson: I have a friend, she lost her husband. And her new partner, her spouse. I think they meant maybe in a group therapy thing or something, they met somehow. Oh, I know what it was. It was a dating online app, that's what people went there for. And she says that that was probably one of the best things, because they can relate to each other, they can support each other, and there's not like a jealousy thing. It's very cool. It's been really cool to see that journey through for her.
Kimberly Hubenette: Facebook friends too, there's these widow groups, they have travel clubs that they have together, or they have Facebook groups that are just about widows and widowers that I see a lot of activity on as well.
Heather Nelson: I think one of the things why I started this podcast was to bring awareness to things that people are going through, or journeys that they've gone through and just to be like, okay, I'm not alone in this. There's other people who've gone through this. I would love to reach out to support them. But I always say this, I think it's not even just losing up a friend, anybody or a significant other. But anything new going on in your life, whether it's divorce, or you lost a child, or you're going through a career change, find a community where people are going through the same thing. It just feels so good and motivating to be around a space where people are going through the same thing, and you guys can help support each other, be in the same part of life.
Kimberly Hubenette: I totally agree. And for me, reach out to me on Facebook, reach out to me on Instagram and on my website, and I might have answers. If not, then maybe we can find answers together.
Heather Nelson: Tell us a little bit about your book. You said you have a book, and it's so cool because everyone that's on my podcast has a book, except for me. But I will someday. I want to hear about your book.
Kimberly Hubenette: Okay, this is my book. It's called Grid, and it's about a person that loses their husband in the wildfire. And you would think that it's a sad book, but it's not. It's a very interesting book because it's about two types of survival. It's about survival from losing your spouse and moving on, as well as surviving in the wilderness. So in the back of the book, I have survival tips for a bug out bag, for your pets or for yourself, for a survival out in the wilderness. And then also this book talks about being a survival person after losing the loved one in your life. And it could be found on Amazon, and it's an audible book as well. It's not exactly about grief. But it is about grief, and it memorializes him because he was a search and rescue survivalist.
Heather Nelson: I love that. Well, I will definitely put a link on how they can find your book. That's really cool, and I would love to support you. I have one last question for you. I know you sound like you've always been out in the wilderness, and that's just been a part of you that's always been in your life. I've been doing women's retreats and doing more outdoor activities, being grounded with nature, hugging a tree and really embracing it. Do you feel when you are out in nature that you're connected to your husband?
Kimberly Hubenette: I am. I know he's around me. I know that he's there walking right next to me, or somewhere close by. I think he even talks to my new dog.
Heather Nelson: I love that. Thank you for sharing your story. I know sometimes reliving some of that is always hard. But sometimes, most people are like, that was very therapeutic, and I feel really good after being able to talk about it. So I just want to say thank you for sharing your story and being open to diving into some hard parts of the journey. But I love the work you're doing, and I can't wait to continue to see where you go.
Kimberly Hubenette: Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate you asking me to be on your podcast. I've enjoyed it.
Heather Nelson: Thank you. And now, we have to stay connected because we're right here in Sonoma County.
Kimberly Hubenette: We will. You can come to one of my hikes.
Heather Nelson: I would love that. I've been trying to do more outdoors, so I would love that.